The pair got candid about their relationship on the latest episode of their podcast 'Amy & T.J.' on Tuesday
The ex-Good Morning America co-anchors got into a heated discussion over their communication problems in the latest episode of their podcast Amy & T.J. on Tuesday, filmed as a "surprise" to both Robach, 50, and iHeart Radio producers.
"We weren't expecting to record one today," Holmes began by explaining. "It's going to be a surprise to our iHeart team that even we have this podcast and it's even a surprise to Robach who is sitting here next to me, not in studio. We are in our living room right now."
Holmes, 46, told Robach the reasoning for the impromptu recording: "We ain't right. You and I aren't okay right now. I said, 'You know what? Let's set up and do a podcast,' "
During their conversation, Robach confronted Holmes on not opening up to her when he has "bad days," calling him "moody."
"I think that you, and you know this, you have many different moods and I've known that about you when I was friends with you. You are moody," Robach told Holmes, who responded "Not a disagreement at all."
"I get we all have moods and we all wake up differently and we all feel differently based on experiences in life or things that are happening," Robach continued. "I just feel like sometimes when you do have whatever, something serious, something pressure-wise, something significant, you do tend to emotionally and verbally withdraw from me."
She further noted, "I'd love for you to do is to confide in me, to lean on me, to share with me so that we're a part of the solution together."
Describing these as “communication kinks” they’re working through, Robach shared her frustrations over the matter, which have led to many arguments between the pair, asking Holmes, “Why don't you let me in? ... Why don't you take me along with you wherever you are emotionally?”
"I have bad days. I have really bad days,” responded Holmes. “And I have days that I, in my head, I need, I wouldn't say space, but I need help and I don't know where to get."
Holmes then accused Robach of carrying out the same behavior recently when she wouldn’t open up about a difficult moment she had with her daughter Ava, 21.
After an intense back and forth over the issue, Robach asked Holmes again, "Why don’t you let me in?", to which he responded, "You're not going to like the answer.”
“Because when things get that kind of bad and I'm that kind of focused or that kind of quiet, the last thing in that moment I want to do is to tell you what I need,” he explained. “That is how I feel, and that is the truth. Not that I think it's your responsibility. Well, you should just know.”
Acknowledging that he is “difficult with my moods,” Holmes said, “But in those moments, I can't imagine saying to you or explaining to you what I need or what I think you should do or what I want you to do. That's actually fine. The frustrating part is after the fact, when I am told that I did something wrong for how I reacted to how I was feeling."
He later explained that it’s "never intentional" when he closes off in those moments, adding, "And I have apologized for that in the past.”
“It's never because I want to do harm. But I get continuously frustrated by being taken to task,” Holmes continued. “... But that's the only way you get through things is to talk them out. And yeah, a lot of times it gets worse before it gets better, but keeping it in builds resentments creates false narratives in your head of why someone did something or why they didn't do something.”
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“The only way to get into a better place, and it is a better place after the conversation happens, is sometimes to go into a darker, deeper place that's uncomfortable," he added to Robach.
The pair ended their conversation by apologizing to each other as Holmes said he feels they’re "on their way” to working their issues out.
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